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their fiscal cliff counteroffer to president obama. does it actually have a chance though? will the president and congressional democrats just blow it right out of the sky? we'll break it all down. >>> plus the mississippi river in crisis. water levels dropped to historic lows threatening to bring commercial traffic to a halt and spike food prices. have you even heard about this? the head of one mississippi barge operator joins us whether a disaster can still be avoided. >>> would you sublet your name for an entire year? a bidding war breaks out for the right to one man's name. he is here to explain his bold idea and how he is cashing in. even when they say it's not it is always about money melissa: first let egg look at the day's market headlines. concern over the fiscal cliff bleeding into the u.s. manufacturing sector. factory activity in november declined for the first time in three months. the news weighted down stocks helping shed 59 points off the dow. the raw materials sector hit hard by the contraction in manufacturing. shares of dupont were the biggest loser closing down 2%. dell ge
questions about the fight over the fiscal cliff and whether some media outlets are playing favorites. obama tries new negotiation tack. not giving in. the headline in the baltimore business journal screams obama's fiscal cliff offer spurned by republicans. obama takes hard line on debt. which might be news to some people in the parenthetical. tony is a political correspondent and mark hannah is a former aide to the john kerry and barack obama presidential campaigns. some of the media tries to short form the story and comes up with a headline that can be barbed easily. this is suggested by a cable anchor who suggested the media has been arrogant since barack obama won in covering him and in covering in particular this fiscal cliff. tony, your thoughts. >> it could only be an msnbc anchor to take this long to figure out. there have been some media, the financial times which endorsed the president has called the president's bluff on this plan. they say this is the same proposal he put in front of congress that received zero votes a year ago, not even one democratic vote. but what the media has
's home page, the actual heading reads, quote response to president obama's unserious fiscal cliff proposal. is unserious a word? in john boehner's universe, i guess. >> as much of a word as flabbergasted is. >> bill: robert calls him the weeper of the house. kitty jon says says i started my campaign against boehner last week saying what you are discussing this morning. i don't plan to let up on it although i believe it falls on deaf ears. peter, how do people john campaign? >> peter: on twitter@speaker boehner. speaker.gov/contact, 202-225-0600, how to get in touch with speaker boehner >> bill: the message is simply at that time cut for 98% of the americans, lead or get out of the way. >> "the bill press show." >> yesterday we saw both sides accusing each other of not getting anything done. speaker john boehner said on fox news sunday, right now we are nor, period. here is let's take a look at treasury secretary timothy geithner on abc's "this week". >> this is no responsible wake we can govern this country with those low rates. they will have
. he says the obama administration will refusion any fiscal deal that does to the include a high school on taxes for americans. >> he remains optimistic despite harsh words. >> with the clock ticking in washington and the fiscal cliff looming, he says the white house will only agree to a plan that including higher tax rates. >> if they are going me -- to force higher rates on all americans because their tax rates go up on 2% of americans, that's a choice we'll have to make. >> one1.6 trillion in tax revenue, cuts to medicare. he insists the bush era tax cuts must expire. >> what we did is put forward a very comprehensive, mix of savings and tax reforms that help us put us back on a path to stabilizing our death and living within our means. >> rebel cans did not welcome -- republicans did not welcome the proposal. >> i think it's essentially a rerun of his revenue proposals. they are 1.6 trillion in revenues and tax increases. >> and they're expressing frustration with the lack of progress. >> i would say we're nowhere. he's pointing out the administration did offer six hundred billion i
. in fiscal 2010, the first budget under obama spending fell 1.3% to $2.36 trillion. >> you say that like it's's good thing. i'm flabbergasted. >> who uses the word flabbergasted anymore? >> stephanie: john boehner. >> cracky. >> stephanie: the big surge in federal spending happens in fiscal 2009 before obama took office. the 2009 fiscal year which republicans count as part of obama's legacy isn't that handy? brought on by george w. bush. >> flabbergasting. >> stephanie: it is like george w. bush ran over a pack of cub scouts drunk and barack obama shows up. look at what you did here. see what you presided over? >> shows up in the ambulance. >> look what you did! >> stephanie: oh my god. no i'm emt. it began four months before obama moved into the white house. the major spending decision in the 2009 fiscal year were made by george w. bush and the previous congress, just an fyi. >> flabbergasted. president thinks he's won an election or something. flabbergasted. [ laughter ] >> stephanie: it is a funny word. n
cliff. president up obama has taken to twitter answering fiscal cliff questions right now. looking to drum up support for his tax hike on the wealthiest americans. rich edson is in d.c. with the latest. rich? >> well, that a meeting with state governors tomorrow and nothing on the public schedule with congressional leaders. negotiators are stuck on the administration's last proposal. 1.6 trillion in tax increases. 600 billion in spending reforms and more stimulus spending. republicans call it a joke. the white house says republicans need to step up with a plan. >> i would simply redirect that question to republican leaders who do this date have no put forward any proposal how they would achieve revenues, how they would address the issue that rates have to rise on the top 2%. >> house speaker john boehner says republicans are willing to discuss revenue increases through tax reform. the administration says they're open to tax reform as well but they want an immediate tax rate hike on wealthy americans. with only a few weeks left until hundreds of billions of automatic spending cuts a
: hello, everybody. i'm gerri willis. a bold counter offer to president obama on the fiscal clef. the new plan contains 800 billion in new taxes, half of what the president was looking for. more importantly, the gop plan keep tax rates the way they are now. we know that is a deal maker for the tie-breaker for the presidents. joining me now, the man some democrats blame for the fiscal cliff impasse, grover norquist, president of americans for tax reform. and the many and as a finger to about fixing it, michael reagan, founder of the reagan group. i want to start with the republicans plan that they put on the table. they have been accused of doing nothing and all. they come up with their own plan which includes 800 billion in revenue from closing loopholes and eliminating deductions and then 1 billion in spending cuts. it is being rejected from the get go by democrats. grover, what do you say? >> i think the republicans had a very good plan called lorraine budget. they all voted for it in the house. it saves $6 trillion over the same decade, and they did not raise taxes and all. i really th
will not up next, president obama meeting with everyone about the fiscal cliff, everyone except for the leaders in washington d.c. for the republican party. we will share our list of people that the president might also want to think about sitting down with. it might have just about as much affect as president obama plane taxman. how much higher? we will show you what some suspect about the math in d.c. in the "chalk talk" next. ♪ lou: we have a national debt net of $16 trillion. we want to do a little something in that "chalk talk" tonight to bring some simple math home, primarily for the benefit of those we elected to represent us in washington d.c. and if cbo, a congressional budget office projections are right, that 16 will be a trillion dollars higher next year. if the fiscal cliff is avoided, the federal government is expected to spend, let's do it this way, over threed a half trillion dollars. at's a lot of money, especially since they are only collecting to one-half in revenue and taxes. that leaves us with the deficit of one. that is the deficit. sizable it is. this w
a republican counter offer that president obama initial plan to get the country off the fiscal cliff. we have details of what house speaker john boehner calls a bold offer. what if we jump off the cliff? we talk about the budget cliff with the ranking member vis van hollen. egypt constitutional crisis goes on. judges from the highest court say they are afraid to do the jobs. "special report" from washington with breaking news from the middle east starts at 6:00 eastern. now back to new york and my colleagues with "the five." ♪ ♪ >> greg: last week, i went on a tour to promote my book "the joy of hate" which took me from florida, to alabama, and georgia. to tennessee. some call this the south with sarcasm. a buddy of mine gave me flick "deliverance" to watch as a joke. but i freaked out, large crowds with mom for daughters and sons for dads. dads for daughters. so many brought food from pumpkin bread to moonshine. that nearly killed me. more unicorns to shake a horn at. each place i went fan of the five turned on by a parent or their child. this was shared activity, the "the five," "red ey
is trying to avoid plunging of the fiscal cliff. he has made clear that the obama administration is saying that the first order of business has to be to extend tax breaks for middle-class families and raise tax rates for the top 2% of income earners. talks over how to rein in entitlement spending should be held sometime next year. >> the president is asking for $1.6 trillion of new revenue over 10 years. twice as much as he has been asking for the public. his stimulus spending exceeded the amount of new cuts that he was willing to consider. it was not a serious offer. reporter: enter a new player in the talks, stephanie cutter. you remember her? she was the deputy campaign manager for the obama-biden ticket suggested that mitt romney might have committed a felony on his tax returns. sunday night, she e-mailed them to reach a fiscal deal. republicans have balked at raising those tax rates. they are identified by marcus at countries job creators. >> for the first time in two decades, they are there will tell revenues go up as part is the plan. but they have to tell us what they're willing to
geithner gets tough during the sunday morning talk show. he has drawn a hard line saying the obama administration will refuse any fiscal cliff deep that does not include a tax hike on the richest americans. geithner remains optimistic despite harsh words from republicans. >> reporter: with the clock ticking in washington and the fiscal cliff moving closer every day, tim geithner said they will only approve a plan with tax rates. >> if they are going to force higher rates on virtually all americans, because they are unwilling to let tax rates go up on 2% of americans, then that's the choice they're going to have to make. >> reporter: geithner presented his plan to republicans, calling for $1.6 trillion in revenue and cuts in stimulus spending. he suggested the bush era tax cuts must expire for the wealthiest americans. >> we put forward a very comprehensive, carefully designed mix of savings and tax reforms to help us put us back on a path to stabilizing our debt and living within our means. >> reporter: republicans did not welcome the proposal. >> i was disappointed by the presiden
. president obama's initial offer on the fiscal cliff was resoundingly rejected by republicans. it included a $1.6 trillion tax increase, double what he campaigned on. also included $400 billion in entitlement cuts eliminating the need for congressional approval to a raise the debt ceiling. the markets rebounded later in the week following the latest hopes on a fiscal cliff agreement. america's economy grew at a faster pace than initially expected in the third quarter of the year. the second reading of the gross domestic product showed it at rate of 2.7% spurred by stronger inventories and exports. the securities and exchange commission is looking for a new chairman. mary shapirp schapiro announcin she will step down after nearly four years on the job. the obama administration says it will announce a replacement in the near future. >>> starbucks has a new way to spend a lot of money. it is introducing the most expensive blend made from a rare costa rican variety named geisha. it is $7 a cup and only available in 48 stores. if you order one, drink it slowly and enjoy every sip. >>> is the fi
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of the big problems we have is if you look at this president obama proposaproposal contains fiscal stimulus republicans object to. it will be hard to get fiscal stimulus through this year. monetary stimulus from the federal reserve is very much alive. >> absolutely. let me get your take on what we see happening here because we have breaking news on oracle. once again, more companies paying a dividend this year not waiting for next year because they want to be sure investors have a chance to get attacked at 15% capital gains tax or dividend tax as opposed to much higher because we know that taxes will probably go higher in 2013. oracle is accelerating payments of 2013 dif dens. they're going to pay second quarter, third quarter and fourth quarter dividends this month. gordon, what has that done to trading and investing environment? all these special dividends. oracle is doing it now, second quarter, third quarter dividends this month so investors can get taxed at the 2012 dividend rate. >> it's bigger than that because it's not only the corporation themselves but corporate executives. cashin
. >> fiscal no. president obama and republicans in congress are digging in their heels on the fiscal cliff. who will blink first on this game of political chicken. we'll ask our power panel about that. and allison schwartz me as well. mitt romney licking his wounds over an election loss he thought would never happen. hats next for him and why he's not interested in hoping to remake the republican party. plus a bittersweet victory for the kansas city chiefs as the team and its fans try to come to grips with the senseless tragedy, what drove jovan belcher to kill his girlfriend and then himself. [ female announcer ] a classic meatloaf recipe from stouffer's starts with ground beef, unions, and peppers baked in a ketchup glaze with savory gravy and mashed russet potatoes. what makes stouffer's meatloaf best of all? that moment you enjoy it at home. stouffer's. let's fix dinner. now is a good time to think about your options. are you looking for a plan that really meets your needs and your budget? as you probably know, medicare only covers about 80% of your part b medical expenses. the rest is
't the fiscal cliff. this is what obama has already baked into the cake. your flexible savings account will be trashed by taxes. millions of special needs families will find their taxes go up. if you're really sick, you can't deduct as much of your health care costs as you used to. these are all the ways that obama's raising taxes, $1 trillion, $1.1 trillion, over the next decade. five major taxes. his new taxes are not off the table. they hit directly into the middle class. medical devices. when you go to the hospital, medical devices like riding in a wheelchair will get more expensive because of this tax. i mean, these taxes are damaging. he wants to make them permanent. >> i think grover knows that the major source of additional taxes is part of the affordable care act is asking higher income individuals over $250,000 to pay higher capital gains and more on their medicare contribution. that was the bulk of the taxes. so to suggest that this is a big tax increase on middle income americans is just not right. the president's proposing that we extend tax relief for the middle income am
and the white house. house republican leaders have made a counter offer to president obama in the fiscal cliff negotiations proposing to cut to true knowledge with a combination of spending cuts come entitlement reform, and new tax revenues. there was a three page letter signed by speaker boehner, majority leader eric cantor, and other senior republicans including representative paul ryan. and this mornings "washington journal," we heard about tax reductions and credits that would go away if the fiscal cliff passes in january. >> board or series looking into the so-called fiscal cliff, we turn our attention to deductions and tax loopholes. some of them are potentially on the chopping block. joining us from the wall street journal is don mckinnon. thanks so much for joining us today. what are the loopholes and deductions? we hear those words a lot, but what are they? guest: loopholes or tax breaks of all different sorts, and whether you like a particular loophole or not depends on where you sit, i guess. there are lots of loopholes that are deductions. deductions are those that most people are
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to president obama right now. >> i have fiscal cliff fatigue. thank you very much. >> sure. tracy: we all do, dennis, but we have to talk about it because congress has to deal with it. we have a new gallup poll showing 5 # 4% of the voters rate the honesty of members of congress below that of used car salesmen. dianne black of tennessee joins us from the home state to hear what the constituents are telling her. what are con constituents sayin? >> well, you know, i'm hearing -oth from my individual constituents and business owners they are really concerned about the spending problem in washington. that's not really talked about. there's a lot of focus on the other side, but there is a real need to control the spending because we know we spend more than what we bring in every year, can want continue down this path, and you'll go off the cliff. we have to resolve that by going off the drivers of the debt, the entitlement programs, and we have to talk about that. tracy: right. we're not. i'm not sure why. i think an easy fix is raise retirement age. is that on the table for the republicans? >> w
said. they want to go off of the fiscal cliff. then negotiations fail president obama will not get blamed. it is someone else. >> gretchen: marjorie that sounds right other than the middle class getting hit with a tax hike isn't everything that ron just part of the dnc. >> it is it a big issue. president obama and really american people don't want to see middle class americans pay additional 2000 in taxes n which is what will happen in addition to cuts to programs . we want to cut and the american people want to see cut. there is it a few things. first more americans would blame the republicans and not president obama if we went off of the fiscal cliff. that is a motivation. >> brian: yeah. >> gretchen: ron, why do they feel that way? >> brian:ip totally agree with you. looking at polls and say republicans will get blamed and so why not runuss off of the cliff. >> republicans should have their own plan. the majority of americans in exit polls have said we should balance and ask the wealthiest to pay more. >> gretchen: wait, wait, wait, wait, wait. ron. that's not true. nothing is g
is closely tracking all of this. the progress or lack of progress on the fiscal cliff talks and also wondering who is going to be the next treasury secretary. joining me steve rattner, wall street finance year, former head of president obama's auto task force. thanks for joining us, steve. first of all, what about the scenario that oh let's just let them go over the cliff and won't matter and the markets will view it as a nonevent. what do you think some. >> certainly going to matter. there's no question it's going to matter. it's going to matter to the markets. we don't know how much. this is an unprecedented situation, at least in my lifetime. we've had crises and debt ceilings and all that, but going over a cliff like this is a new one. the markets would be volatile, extremely -- a lot of downward pressure on them. and then the question would be how do businesses and consumers behave and quickly do they pull back? everyone knows the immediate impact from the government coming back and spending wouldn't be that great. the question then is how do businesses and consumers react? i do
of their daughter three months ago. >>> to our continuing coverage of the fiscal cliff. treasure secretary got blunt today about taxes. he said the obama administration will refuse any deal that keeps tax cuts in place for wealthy americans. republicans are meeting that idea with stiff resistance. >> reporter: with the clock ticking and the fiscal cliff looping closure he says the white house will only agree to a plan that includes higher tax rates. >> if they are going to force higher rates on all americans because they are unwilling for 2% of the americans, that is a choice they have to make. >> reporter: calling for $1.6 trillion in tax revenue. he insists the tax cuts must expire for the wealthiest americans. >> what we did is put forward a very carefully designed mix of tax reforms to put us on a path to fixing the debt. >> reporter: republicans did not welcome the proposal. >> i was disappointed by the president's proposal. i think it is a rerun of his budget patrol. it is $1.6 trillion. >> reporter: and expressing frustration with the lack of progress. >> i would say we are nowhere. >> report
. we're following developing news right now. president obama is taking to twitter right now, part of the intensifying push by the white house to get public opinion on their side over negotiations against house republicans on the so-called fiscal cliff. the president himself tweeted out plans for the q and a a short time ago saying he'll answer questions about the cliff, his proposal and pending tax hikes on the official white house twitter feed. press secretary jay carney insisted the white house is still optimistic it can reach a deal with congressional republicans. >> there has been progress, and we can achieve a bipartisan agreement. the obstacle remains at this point the refusal to acknowledge by republican leaders that there is no deal that achieves the kind of balance that is necessary without raising rates on the top 2%. >> and there are just 29 days to go for the two parties to find some sort of middle ground, and joining me now from the white house nbc news correspondent kristen welker. what's the back story on this it twitter q and a for the president, which should start
law. we will see what the supreme court decides in less than 30 minutes. >> fiscal cliff tops standof the average middle-class family would have to pay about $2,000 a year more in taxes. house speaker john bain of lands the stalemate on the obama administration. he says they are not taking republicans seriously and plans to close loopholes and lit it deductions without raising taxes. >> i realize of the president may not agree but if there is another way to get revenue from upper income americans that doesn't ruin our economy why don't we consider it? >> we won them to tell the american why they won't do it. >> the democratic controlled senate has are the agreed to extend the bush tax cuts for incomes under $250,000 but let the other tax cut expire. it is predicted their rugby at least a short-term deal released before the end of the year. >> of when it comes to a president's second inauguration at the crowd tends to be smaller. that will be the case again this january. the cross the present obama as inauguration on january 21st will be close to 800,000. that is the estimate right now
are nowhere close to a deal to avert that fiscal cliff. the obama administration has laid out its plan calling for $1.6 trillion in new taxes. that includes letting the bush era tax cuts expire for those earning more than $250,000 a year. it's also pushing for a new $50 billion stimulus package and offering $400 billion in new cuts to medicare and other entitlement programs. but republican house speaker john boehner flatly rejected the plan on the table and what he calls the white house's unwillingness to compromise. >> i was just flabbergasted. i looked at him, i said, you can't be serious. i've never seen anything like it. you know, we've got seven weeks between election day and the end of the year. and three of those weeks have been wasted with this nonsense. >> you know, i think right now the best thing to do is for them to come to us and say, look, here's what we think makes sense. we've told them what we think makes sense. what we can't do is try to figure out what's going to be good for them. they have to come tell us. >> house minority leader and democrat nancy pelosi also jumping into
general plan to overcome the opposition. >> president obama pile on praise that sounds like anything but. a farewell for hillary clinton. i'm fighting a fiscal cough, so pardon that. if it's always darkest. it's clear the white house-re house-republican leaders, both sides appear to be very far apart, saluting kennedy center honorees from dustin hoffman to led zeppelin and hitting the golf links with former president bill clinton. the guy with whom he will have to make a deal to end the standoff on the fiscal cliff house speaker john boehner requested time on fox news to publicly declare the president's opening bid a nonstarter. >> i was flabbergasted. we're nowhere. >> treasury secretary tim geithner did the full ginsberg with taped appearances on all five shows. nothing will happen until budget tax rates and the ball is now in their court. >> the only thing that stands in the way of a deal right now is if a group of republican members decide there have been a block because they can't afford the wealthiest 2% of americans. >> how much is theater and how much are the two sides locked int
obama through their golf game on the fiscal cliff? >> for reasons that would be apparent to anybody who's seen me sitting at golf club i was not there and therefore do not know. [inaudible] >> and a president obama enjoyed the session, but beyond that i don't have anything else for you. [inaudible] >> can you give us more detail about who will be here, how many end the dialog does not already part of the conversation? >> the president looks forward to the meeting. i think we will have details on that later this evening. i don't have a list for you. >> in concept, talk about what experience governors have, what is hoping to hear every day. >> governors have a lot at stake in this process. they've been interesting seeing washington get its fiscal house in order. they see action to ensure that the economy continues to grow. governors broadly speaking having an interest in washington making wise investments and rebuilding our infrastructure. they obviously have a stake in our health care entitlement programs including of course medicaid. and what governors house in common with the president
house republicans to avoid the so-called fiscal cliff. also president obama's getting ready to speak this hour about an urgent national security issue. u.s.-led efforts to try to track down and eliminate loose nuclear weapons. that's coming up. >>> also, frightening now revelations about an al qaeda plot for a three-part terror attack on the united states embassy in iman, jordan. i'll ask the country's foreign minister for details. he's standing by live. i'm wolf blitzer. you're in "the situation room." >>> we begin this afternoon with brand-new republican offers to try to save the $2.2 trillion and avoid the so-called fiscal cliff. the across-the-board spending cuts and sharp tax increases that hit in just 29 days. let's get straight to our senior congressional correspondent dana bash. she's watching what's going on. dana, the tax rates, first of all, let's get to a major sticking point right now. there's been a counterproposal from house republicans to the white house. you have details. >> reporter: that's right. let's start exactly where you just began on those tax rates because t
-door briefing earlier today to outline the proposal of president obama for the so- called fiscal cliff. what is the proposal? >> the top line #would be about $2.20 trillion in the budget control act. and they say compared to what the white house put out, the white house says it offers $4 trillion when using the same accounting as the white house, it would be about $4.60 trillion over 10 years. republicans say it would come from tax reform, but not to increasing tax rates. that has been a sticking point thus far in negotiations. >> you are talking about the bush tax rates? >> all of the bush era tax rates would be extended into next year and that would start the process for tax reform. it would be in the tax reform process that there would generate -- and they would generate $800 million -- $800 billion in revenue. and they say the $800 billion could be raised without raising tax rates, and this is something that is in dispute with the white house. the white house said there would be no deal unless republicans agreed to increase tax rates on the wall the next year. >> what do the republicans
. today our facebook family loved this photo of president obama on his laptop tweeting during the twitter question and answer session about the fiscal cliff. hugh says, no one makes better use of technology than our president. and mindy says, she loves the presidential seal on the cover of the laptop. i agree, mcimi. we've got more of speaker boehner's offer. first, we want to hear what you think. head over to facebook and search "politicsnation" and "like" us to join the conversation that keeps going long after the show ends. playing ] [ male announcer ] the rhythm of life. [ whistle blowing ] where do you hear that beat? campbell's healthy request soup lets you hear it... in your heart. [ basketball bouncing ] heart healthy. great taste. mmm... [ male announcer ] sounds good. it's amazing what soup can do. >>> we're back on "politicsnation" with more on speaker boehner's counteroffer to president obama. the republican house leader wants $2.2 trillion in spending cuts. and how would he do it? republicans refuse to raise taxes on the rich. unbelievable. instead, they want to slash billion
. instead of working with congress face to face to save the economy. president obama is trying to gets had way by doing what he does best. campaigning and making speeches about the fiscal cliff. the president never presented a plan until this week . the reception on capitol hill was to say the least chilly. senator mcconle laughed at the proposal when presented to him. joining me is allen west. colonel thank you for being here. [ applause ] what wasyour reaction when you finally saw what the president put on the table? >> i was in complete shock. it has nothing to do with reality. if you look at the president's propose to raise taxs and 50 billion more in stimulus spending and want to extend 99 weekings of unemployment benefits which is it a 30 billion a year . the other thing that troubling is that the president wants his own control of raising the debt ceiling . so i don't think we have a president that is serious about getting the debt under control and deficit and government spending under control especially when you understand that we have ha and post office in trouble. we continue to
obama is rejecting a counter offer from the house republicans to get the country off the fiscal cliff. so the stalemate continues. what happens if we wake up january 2 and it's fallen off the fiscal cliff? here is jim angle. >> today's counter offer made clear the republicans want to avoid going over the fiscal cliff. which some democrats speculated might happen to their benefit. >> this is the way the white house and many democratic members and leadership believe. we will go over the cliff. tall tax rates will go up. we will then enact tax cuts for 98%. we will get congratulations from the american people. >> keeping and adding back tax cut for those above $250,000, 9 #% of income would add $37 trillion in ten years and would only save $800 billion or so from raising rates on higher incomes. democrats complain the republicans didn't pay for bush tax cut and no one on the democratic side is talking about finding the off-setting savings now to extend them. several democrats contemplated going over the cliff in recent days. perhaps in hopes of gaining leverage. >> if the republicans don
talk shows but not at the negotiating table. >> reporter: it's been 16 days since president obama and congressional leaders met to talk about how to avoid the fiscal cliff. the automatic spending cuts and tack increases that begin to kick in if there's no agreement by january 1st. 16 days to get here. >> i think we're far apart still, but i think we're moving closer together. >> i would say we're nowhere, period. we're nowhere. >> reporter: thursday treasury secretary timothy geithner proposed president obama's plan which included $1.6 trillion in tax revenue coming largely from an expiration of bush era tax cuts for families who make more than $250,000 a year. geithner says that's a must. >> there's not going to be an agreement without rates going up. >> reporter: the administration's plan also included $50 billion in new stimulus spending. boehner says the entire proposal represented three weeks of wasted time. >> i was just flabbergasted. i looked at him and said you can't be serious. >> reporter: the house speaker says republicans have put increased revenues, including efforts
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to the estimated $19.6 billion spent on hurricane katrina. >> 28 days until the fiscal cliff that will kick in if congress does not act. president obama and republicans seem to be playing a game of political chicken right now. the president's proposal as 1.6 trillion in hired taxers over the next couple of years. he proposes a tax cuts and stimulating spending to stimulate the economy. the two sides may try to come together. waiting for a chance to dry out here. a lot of clouds and traffic. 50 degrees in san francisco and a high in the upper 50s. >> watching flood levels this morning on bay area rivers as many are staying in their banks. we did have some flooding. the napa river reached flood stage yesterday afternoon. mayor to clean up in lafayette with the sinkhole and excavator is on this and not picking up debris. >> we get a dry day today but not for a long >> we should expect them rally later on tomorrow in the evening hours. it will pick up in intensity wednesday morning. tomorrow will be a -- today will be a dry day in the bay area. a cold start to the morning and low '40's for napa
, president obama is trying to get his way by doing what he does best, campaigning, and making speeches about the fiscal cliff despite knowing that deadline was looming, the president never presented a plan until this week and the reception on capitol hill was, to say the least, chilly. senator mcconnell even laughed at the proposal when it was presented to him. joining me now, florida congressman allen west. colonel, thanks so much for being here. >> thanks, thanks for having me, dana. [applause]. >> what was your reaction when you finally saw what the president was putting on the table? >> well, i was in complete shock because it really has nothing to do with reality. when you look at the president's proposal to raise 1.6 trillion in new taxes, he wants 50 billion more in stimulus spending, he continues to want to extend the 99 weeks of unemployment benefits which will be another 30 billion per year and also, the other thing that was very troubling was that the president wants his own control of raising the debt ceiling. so, i don't think we have a president that is serious about getting ou
position. that said i'm encouraged by the reelection of president obama and certainly for the leadership that leader pelosi has given and will continue to give. we will need their leadership as the president must quickly face the challenge of his second term, avoiding this fiscal cliff. in august of 2011 congress passed the budget control act which threatened automatic spending cuts if congress failed to come up with a planned deficit reduction by 2013. these cuts are what we refer to as sequestration. this would mean an across the board cut of between 7% and 10% of
over that so-called fiscal cliff. tax hikes and spending cuts kick in if no agreement is reached between the house and republicans on how to close the budget gap. it has been more than two weeks since president obama invited the major players to the white house to discuss the situation. as of this morning, no new talks are scheduled. brianna keilar joins us. so many republicans say they are pessimistic about a deal happening in time to avert this fiscal cliff. some say it's for political reasons. what can you tell us? >> it may all be for political reasons. that's no surprise in washington. as you can seen through dealmaking not just on this but things in the past couple of years between the white house and congress, there is almost this rhythm that has evolved. both sides are pointing to the other for an impasse. republicans like senator lindeyy graham just slamming the white house and tim geithner for a plan he laid out on behalf of the administration, laying out about $1.6 trillion in new revenues coupled with only about $400 billion in medicare cuts. listen to what graham sai
deposing wants to vote. - vote nancy pelosi . >> with a so-called fiscal cliff and higher taxes for all americans looming. >> right now i will say we are nowhere. >> the house speaker blamed the stalemate on the obama administration. he said they are not taking republicans seriously with plans to close loopholes and limited deductions without raising taxes. >> off the president may disagree but the fact is if there is a another way to get revenue from upper income americans that does not hurt our economy why would we not consider it. >> the president wants to in the bush era tax cuts for people making more than a quarter of a million dollars per year. the average middle-class public to pay about 2000 a year more in taxes. >> there is no reason why 98 percent of americans have to see their taxes go up because some members of congress on the republican side want to block tax rate increases for 2 percent of the most wealthy americans. >> nancy pelosi pushing for a house vote. >> we think it would be a wonderful christmas gift for the american people to receive a tax cut in january. >> we a
's economy goes over the so-called fiscal cliff. the white house and congressional republicans said to be deadlocked. president obama released his plan. it includes 1.6 trillion dollars in new tax increases. 50 billion in new stimulus spending. and stimulus, and new power to raise the debt ceiling without congressional approval. tim geithner, john boehner appearing with chris wallace on fox news sunday. >> we're nowhere, period. we're nowhere. we put a serious offer on the table by putting revenues up there to get this question resolved but the white house has responded with virtually nothing. they have actually asked for more revenue than they have been asking the whole entire time. >> in kind of a tough position now. it is going to be, obviously a little hard for them now. they're trying to figure out where they go next. we might need to give them a little more time to let them go next. we did what you expect from us. we laid out a very detailed, carefully designed set of spending savings and tax changes that help put us back on a path to fiscal responsibility. bill: where are we
players are president obama and speaker boehner. my concern has been this looks like campaign time and the election wasn't over and we didn't have the prospect of going over the fiscal cliff. today the house republicans in a big development put out a plan and i am sure it is not on its face acceptable to the president and the democrats here but interestingly it has the same total number of savings and tax revenues as the president does over 10 years, $2.2 trillion. that is a lot more spending and entitlement reform in the president plan -- republican land and the democratic plan but now they can fill things in and the president has to be at the table to close the deal. he has the mandate to do it. >>neil: part of the mandate means both sides should give a little. obviously the republican plan has a debt commission feel to it but beside that i am wondering if it and tough and i know you are leaving the senate and i have always said, and i am not blowing you smoke you are one who tries to find areas of agreement and move the ball forward and we can be dogmatic all we want but in the
at avoiding that so-called fiscal cliff in washington as about as far apart as they've ever been. overnight, president obama released a campaign-style video pushing his plan on now avoid the tax increase on the middle class. john boehner said the white house isn't listening to republicans who demanding cuts. >>> an entire town in louisiana has been evacuated and police have launched a criminal investigation after finding 6 million pounds of explosives stored improperly at the munitions factory you that see here. authorities are now carefully working to move the explosive powder into safe bunkers. >>> public school students in five states will soon be spending more time in class. a lot more. a pilot program is being announced today in the states highlighted on your screens. 20,000 students in those collse schools will spend an extra 3 0 3050 -- 300 hours in class every term, in hopes of making them more competitive with the foreign students. >>> and new concerns this morning about the new "hobbit" film due out this month. in fact, people with the early screening said the film made them stic
he and obama would come up -- >> excuse me, excuse me, you're wrong. you're wrong. all that grover has to say, all he has to say is, we're in a particular fiscal crunch right now and we've got to make allowances for that. if he did that a lot would change. >> grover only counts because these tea party guys, the 50, 60, 70 in the house, they have a theological opposition to any -- >> let's go -- >> all they're worried about being primaried from the right -- >> i know -- let's talk about the caucus you used to work with. >> very well. >> aren't there a lot of people over there if grover came out and said these are particular times, we have to make a couple adjustments. >> members of congress should not have to negotiate with grover norquist. >> but i'm asking you an open question. would that have been inflauns? >> it could but it would -- for grover he's an activist. he's someone -- he has his ideals and if he compromises on that, that's harder for him. the fact of the matter is -- listen, saxby chambliss is a hero. he's a guy who is in the arena trying to cut deals and it's hard bec
fiscal fraud. so it will be interesting to see how this pans out. but today the trial begins. >> all right. thanks for that. that's the latest. meanwhile president obama and michelle obama paid tribute to this year's recipients of the kennedy honors. they're recognized for contributions to the arts. >> when the brits in additionally kept their distance, led zeppelin grabbed america from the opening. we were ready for what jimmy called songs with a lot of light and shape. it's been said that a generation of young people survived teenage angst with a pair of head phones and a zeppelin album and a generation of parents wondered what all that noise was about. >>> in the united states today, november ism manufacturing index out at 10:00 eastern. forecast for a reading of 51. also october construction spending. expected to rise half a percent. and james bullard speaks about the monetary policy at 1:40 p.m. a pretty light day for earnings. look for results from pep boys. they are after the close. as far as u.s. futures are concerned right now, we are implied for an upward start. s&p 500 cal
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